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li5504552



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Question 33 Reply with quote

-why is the answer not convection? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a pocket of air, you can have convection and you can have radiation but you can't have conduction. Conduction is the only one that requires physical contact.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-but why is answer c convection wrong? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is asking which type of heat transfer do the air pockets limit. So we are looking for what does NOT work in the air pockets. Convection and radiation DO occur in the air pockets so they are the wrong answer.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(not pertaining to the question, well sort of) radiation is just electromagnetic waves, so it does not require a medium. I just wanna clarify this concept thx
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(not pertaining to the question, well sort of) radiation is just electromagnetic waves, so it does not require a medium.


Correct.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is asking what is "limited".
Conduction does NOT occur in air pockets, so how can nothing be limited.
Convection and Radiation DO occur, so one of these must be limited more than the other.

I would have chosen Conduction because I know that conduction cannot occur in an air pocket bc there is no physical contact between materials/molecules. I ruled out this choice because it does NOT occur, so I figured that how can something that doesnt exist be limited.
So I chose convection because it deals with the physical transfer of waves through a gas/fluid.

Is this question poorly worded - is what I'm thinking right?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is incorrect to say that air does NOT conduct, actually, air (after all, it does contain molecules in motion) is a very poor conductor.

"Air and water are relatively poor conductors": www.ucar.edu/learn/1_1_1.htm

"Some materials are better conductors of heat than others, metals are good conductors, air is poor.": www.aos.wisc.edu/~aos152/lesson1/content.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I disagree with this answer

Heat transfer due to convection occurs when a fluid moves OVER a (warm) surface.... thus removing the heat energy with it.

Wearing a down filled jacket, in effect, creates a layer of air around you, thus limiting convection. Thats the point of the puffy jacket in winter.

Conduction still occurs immediately, to heat up the air around you or in the jacket. Generally, the small air pockets are limiting the FLOW of air.... again, limiting convection.


What if this question were the opposite? Without a down filled jacket, heat would be lost most through what? I'd say convection!

Heat loss through convection, is minimized through the jacket.
I think the answer to this question should be convection or at least both convection AND conduction should be correct.

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I don't know... please help
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with newno558362.

The point of a jacket or blanket is that it prevents the air around you from moving, and eventually that air equilibrates with your body temperature - thus preventing CONVECTION. I think the right answer should have been D.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the definition of heat convection; it is the transfer of the thermal energy among neighbouring molecules in a substance. Conduction needs matter and not require any bulk motion of matter.
While Convection refers to the movement of molecules within fluids, and radiation describes any process in which energy emitted by one body travels through a medium or through space.
Then answer (D) can't be true. The only possible answer is (B) because unlike conduction, convection and radiation require a medium to transmit energy.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nedaa - radiation does not require a medium to transmit energy, it can be transmitted through a vacuum. It might be best to think of these in their classical forms, stove top(conduction) vs CONVECTION oven vs Sun (radiation). Convection and conduction do require a "medium".

What types of heat transfer are involved in evaporation during sweating? I'm thinking all three are going on, maybe not all related to the process of evaporation but when a person is overheated all three are occurring. Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ladywait of course you are correct that radiation requires no medium since it is electromagnetic radiation. And, if you have ever seen any of the Predator movies, you would have seen that humans can be tracked because we all emit infrared radiation.

And yes, convection and conduction are also means by which humans can interact with their environment including through sweating discussed more below.

But first I would like to address some earlier points:

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The point of a jacket or blanket is that it prevents the air around you from moving, and eventually that air equilibrates with your body temperature - thus preventing CONVECTION. I think the right answer should have been D.


The problem with the above assessment is that the point of reference given in the question is not the environment, rather it is the pocket of air in the coat. Convection continually occurs in the air pockets of a coat because the body is warmer than the environment. The body warms up the cool air in the pocket closest to the body. That air rises and the cool air closest to the environment moves downward and circulates towards the body heating up as the warmer air that has moved to the other side cools down and so on. It is a dynamic process.

Note: the body will still lose some heat by radiation and convection. However, conduction is severely limited because air is a very poor conductor.

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What if this question were the opposite? Without a down filled jacket, heat would be lost most through what? I'd say convection!

Heat loss through convection, is minimized through the jacket.
I think the answer to this question should be convection or at least both convection AND conduction should be correct.


The question is about the air filled pockets. If there were no air filled pockets then, of course, radiation as expected would take place. And, if it is a thin jacket, you can touch the jacket and feel the warmth of the person's body indicating that conduction is taking place. And yes, there would be convection.

For perspective: conduction and radiation are by far the most important in terms of heat loss for humans. Convection becomes most important with a significant "wind chill factor" which must include windy conditions. And, even if there is wind, a k way jacket (a very common material used as a "windproof" outer shell) significantly reduces heat lost through convection. It works by preventing wind from penetrating your clothing and removing the body heat you have stored there.

Have as your mantra: "Air is a poor conductor of heat." Then you will get any similar question correct.

A word about sweating: sweating is a physiological process of cooling. The body essentially cools the surface of the skin by allowing, during a heat spell, the skin to sweat or vaporize its water at the surface and this allows in turn the skin and body to keep cool. Basically, our bodies use the endothermic nature of VAPORIZATION for cooling. So as you overheat, you sweat causing your skin to be covered with liquid water and as this water EVAPORATES, it absorbs heat from the body in turn, cooling the skin.
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