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priya.bork7031



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Question 5 Reply with quote

5) What would the freezing point in Kelvin of a solution which is 0.50 molal in sucrose and 0.50 molal in acetic acid be?
(Kf of water = 2.0 oC mol-1 and freezing point of water = 0 oC)

1. -1.0 K[x]
2. -2.0 K[x]
3. 272 K[x]
4. 271 K

Although I understand the explanation I wanted to just clear something up for myself. The 0.5 molal acetic acid, if it were a strong acid and dissociated to 0.5 molal H+ and 0.5 molal conjugate base, only the conjugate base affects the freezing point depression?

Or are we assuming here that the acetic acid is the only thing that is affecting freezing point depression? I was a bit confused that perhaps I needed to use 1.5 molal instead of only 1.0 molal


Thank you so much for the reviews and tests by the way. I feel like they have really targeted my strengths and weaknesses (they want me to put off the MCAT, but that's another story Smile )
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nedaa.asba6809



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not just the conjugate base because colligative properties depend on the number of particles not the type of the particles, so a single proton like H(+) is equivalent in importance to a bigger molecule like a acetate group.
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sfarukhi1817



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont quite understand why you add 0.5 m acetic acid +0.5m sucrose?
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stephaniem3562



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acetic acid and sucrose are non volatile solutes that are added to water. Hence you add up their molalities. What I dnt understand is why not take the "i" into consideration? i for acetic acid is 2 and for glucose, i=1. Therefore total i= 3. Thus change in temp= Kf* (0.5m+0.5m)*3.

Why is this not correct?
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mcat_premed3832



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This problem aims for a concept often tested on the MCAT (though it's name is rarely given on the test!): Colligative properties.

These are properties that depend on the number NOT the type of particles.

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i dont quite understand why you add 0.5 m acetic acid +0.5m sucrose?


Boiling/freezing point elevation/depression is a colligative property and so the total number of particles must be included in the calculation.


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Acetic acid and sucrose are non volatile solutes that are added to water. Hence you add up their molalities. What I dnt understand is why not take the "i" into consideration? i for acetic acid is 2 and for glucose, i=1. Therefore total i= 3.


It's good that you considered that line of thinking because it means you are clear on the "colligative properties" idea. However, acetic acid is a very weak acid. You may remember doing problems showing acetic acid having a Ka around 10^-5 (so that's 1 in 10 000!!!).
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ebsincla3909



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For this question, the freezing point depression was 2 degrees C right? The inital freezing point of 0 is converted to Kelvin making it 273K, but wouldnt the freezing point depression of 2 degrees C also have to be converted to Kelvin? Making it 275, and making the answer -2? Maybe im just not understanding it correctly, and the value of 2 is unitless...not sure--Thanks!
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tnfifn3735



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcat_premed3832 wrote:


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Acetic acid and sucrose are non volatile solutes that are added to water. Hence you add up their molalities. What I dnt understand is why not take the "i" into consideration? i for acetic acid is 2 and for glucose, i=1. Therefore total i= 3.


It's good that you considered that line of thinking because it means you are clear on the "colligative properties" idea. However, acetic acid is a very weak acid. You may remember doing problems showing acetic acid having a Ka around 10^-5 (so that's 1 in 10 000!!!).


Okay, even if acetic acid is a weak acid, one would still be left with i=1 and from the glucose i =2. Which means the i=2. Therefore the temperature should have decreased by 4C as oppose to 2C. I know that 4 was not a choice. But why isn't 4 the correct answer.
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jellywing_2058



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No the answer given is correct.
Sucrose as per the passage (not glucose) is not an electrolyte and is a sugar (organic molecule) that does not ionize and so the Van Hoff factor (i) for sucrose (or even glucose) will be = 1 (not 2).

So, for sucrose i = 1 and the answer is in fact D as given and the explanation is fine.
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tnfifn3735



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jellywing_2058 wrote:
No the answer given is correct.
Sucrose as per the passage (not glucose) is not an electrolyte and is a sugar (organic molecule) that does not ionize and so the Van Hoff factor (i) for sucrose (or even glucose) will be = 1 (not 2).

So, for sucrose i = 1 and the answer is in fact D as given and the explanation is fine.


That makes sense.

PS. Thanks for all the replies. Your posts are quite helpful.
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